Jurgens Ci daarmee heen ?

Len, ek het die rubiek gelees. Meeste van ons is  in duister oor Jurgens en sien wat volgende jaar gebeur met Jurgens. Stem met jou insette en hul pryse is ook bietjie overrated. 

So that the caravan industry can be re-born, with lots of choice and quality products....... Like in the good old days.....

Perhaps if Godfry had played the neither friend or foe game and actually reported on the crap that CI have, for many years now been foisting on what amounts to a captive market, Jurgens / CI / Imperial  MIGHT have been worth saving...

Yes I know you guy's don't like that, but there it is.... My point of view

Stem, Jurgens is nie meer alleen reg nie en baie kompetisie buite 

Kompetisie was nog nooit skadelik vir besigheid nie hou mekaar op die tone weet iemand wat aangaan by Howling Moon is hulle ook toe ?

Len dankie maak sin wat jy se ja ek is n groot Howling Moon ou ek nog net plesier gekry uit hulle produkte sien hulle web site nog af hoop dinge word vining uit gesort

Rede hoekom ek dit glad nie oorweeg het om my tent na Jurgens te stuur om die swak kwaliteit flysheet te vervang nie. 

Ek het so drie maande terug my nuwe tent van Jurgens/ Howling Moon ontvang.

Soos al Howling Moon produkte is die kwaliteit absoluut onberispelik, ek moes net 9 maande wag, as gevolg van die Jurgens probleme. 

As ek kyk na ouens hier in die kamp wat by ander plekke laat maak het is ek nie spyt dat ek gewag het nie, die Howling moon tent staan kop en skouers bo die ander uit.

Baie interesant dat die materiaal van my tent uit Nederland ingevoer wors??? Sou dink dit kon plaaslik vervaardig word? Die nuwe Nederlandse materiaal het nie meer daai patroon op die plafon gedruk nie, nou plein grys. Maar die materiaal is baie lig, dog vrek sterk, dit het so blinkerige skynsel op en maak lekker maklik skoon, kolle vee maklik af met spons en skoon water.

Orals op die nate is daar 'n strook plastiek tussen die twee seile, dit verhoed lekasie op die stiksels en met die bietjie reen wat ons al hier gehad het werk dit puik.

Ek stem saam met Len, oor die jare het ek nog net goeie produkte van Jurgens gehad, ja ongelukig het kwaliteit die laaste paar jaar afgeneem.

Ek sal ook bitter graag wil sien dat Jurgens bly voortbestaan, ek sien nie eintlik Warren se punt nie, of die nuwe eienaar nou 'n bestaande fabriek oorneem en opjack, en of hy nou van grond af nuut begin maak mos geen verskil?

As hy by sy nuut opgeboude besigheid kwaliteit werk sou verskaf, sal hy mos dieselfde doen by Jurgens. Kwaliteit hang immers van die bestuur af?

Ek hoop werklik dat Jurgens "her leef",  ek hou baie van produk, selfs al het ek op 'n kol baie te sê gehad oor die kwaliteit. Dit is ons, die verbruiker, se "plig" om ons misnoë uit te spreek.

Kompitisie is daar verseker, veral van Quantum se kant af, daai ou (Jurie) bou net die beste kwaliteit waens.

Daar is baie gese uit alle kante rondom Jurgens my ingesluit maar ek hoop ook hulle staan weer op in volle glorie ek sien ook nog baie Gypsy karavane wonder of hulle weer gaan herleef

Sien by Witbank GJ karavane het hele paar nuwe Jurgens met ronde agterligte. Lyk Leisure gaan Howling Moon oorneem

Hi Len..

There is no way anybody’s going to convince me that it is justifiable to spend, Near as dammit is to swearing one half a million on a caravan.

That’s one part of the overall problem.

Another aspect of the problem is, that for that half a million the public should be getting immeasurably better quality than’s been the case.

In my opinion what has actually transpired is the caravan industry went into a decline, Jurgens arrogantly opted to maintain current infrastructure / overheads, to maintain their cost structure in a declining market, prices escalated the consumer had no alternatives and the cycle continued with the consumer hamstrung by lack of competition and rising prices.

Mix into that, a culture of cost cutting and pressure to produce products cheaper so as to maintain Jurgens’s bottom line, we have arrived where we are today.

Have you seen the rubbish that has been recently launched....  VIS the Gypsey “light”? and for that we are expected to around pay a quarter million rand???.... A heck of a lot more if it’s financed BTW...

Had Jurgen’s re-structured, cut overheads, kept prices reasonable, preserved their reputation, things might have been very different.

Now, we the consumers have to live with every tom dick & harry caravan & camping trailer’s hugely inflated prices that are ridiculous in context for what we are getting.... Dammit, at the end of the day, a caravan is nothing but a box on wheels, and it costs the same as a middle income house!

And of course, COL feeding the up and coming consumer how wonderful the stuff is....

And of course, Godfry’s famous statement:- Caravanning is no longer a cheap holiday for the civil servant, it has become a “lifestyle”choice. Lifestyle = exclusivity, exclusivity = expensive...

Everything just went downhill from then on...Prices across all the products, from tables to kettles, if it was camping related the price rocketed through the roof.

For example... A camping stretcher / mattress cost’s more than a normal domestic bed! How the hell do you justify that?

Ok, so let’s look at me the individual.... Firstly I’m not in the market for a caravan, probably never will be. Also I’m not in the market for any camping gear. I’ve already got so much I never need to buy another thing.

So why does this bother me so much?

So here’s why. The would-be up and coming caravanner, looks at the cost, The one half million for a van, / the vehicle / the gear / the insurance / the cost utilisation ratio / price of accommodation and says to hell with that, 2 families club in and rent a chalet.....

And there you have it...................

BOOM to many of that and resorts sell out,  = less and less camping resorts, so the ones that remain can push up their costs, and the cycle continues....

It cannot be refuted, that’s already what’s happening. So many parks have already closed their doors, it may soon reach a tipping point...

See Godfry,/ COL,  pandering to the whim of his master whip (the advertising cheque at month’s end from Jurgen’s),  and the sheer arrogance of Jurgen’s have both construed to make, what SHOULD be a cost effective <cheap if you will> holiday for civil servants into an activity that’s fast disappearing .

AND THAT’S HOW I’M BEING AFFECTED.

It’s not that I take pleasure in seeing a business face the wall, (as has been said elsewhere) Not at all. The consequences are terrible for everyone.

What I want to see happen, is what needs to happen if the industry and our pastime is to be sustainable.

The business model has to dramatically change, with build quality; value for money; well designed products again becoming the norm, AS WAS THE CASE WHEN Jurgen’s was still Jurgen’s

BUT, With the advent of that awful Gypsey lite, I really don’t see that happening, so for all the damage they have done, as far as I’m concerned, both COL & Jurgen’s must simply disappear which will give the industry a chance to be rejuvenated...

Ok nou kan julle my uitkak

Warren ek nou jou inset mooi gelees en ek stem die Gypsey lite gaan nie n goeie verkoper wees nie te veel geld vir te min en ja enige besigheid gaan swaar kry as sy quality nie op standard is nie ek ook al gese caravan pryse is regtig hoog kompetisie is goed in enige besigheid ek hoop ook Jurgens tel weer hulle kop op en sort die probleme uit as jou pryse nie kompenterend is nie gaan jou teenstaander jou klient weg vat van jou so in kort Prys VS Quality speel n groot rol

There is no way anybody’s going to convince me that it is justifiable to spend, Near as dammit is to swearing one half a million on a caravan.

Warren, with the statement above, het jy gesien hoeveel line-up's is daar vir daai R½ mil + karavane ?

Kyk na Sensation en die ingevoerde Swift, jy sal op jou rug val.  Ook die Destination Upmarket Caravans.

Die jong klomp het meer "R" as wat ons dink.

Hi Willem...

There are many line-up's, but that still does not make it justifiable.

As I see it, everybody's jumped the prices up to what people have come to expect....

Does not make it Justifiable..............

If we as the consumer realised the difference between justifiabe and extortion and stopped just hauling plenty R's watch waht will happen..

Look, Granted, for those who DO have the resources it's not an issue, Go, buy a beautiful, luxurous van and enjoy, I'm not envious, jealous or in anyway in awe of that.

But <as I see it> the ordinary blokes are just being ripped.

Ek is van mening dat die ordinary blokes glad nie die top en range (dus nou die sensations en destinations) kan bekostig nie, dit is klaar moeilik en vir baie onmoontlik om R 350 k te betaal vir n nuwe Penta.

As ek dit nie mis het nie kos n nuwe Fleetline R 300K? Dus rerig belaglik en dan is die kwaliteit vrot, nie naastenby aan die standaard nie.

Ek gee toe, daar is wel n mark daarvoor, daar is die super rykes, of die pensioenarise wat aftree en baie geld het wat die top range vans koop, maar vir die gemiddelde persoon daarbuite is dit net nie moontlik nie.

Vandag se jong mense (nie almal nie maar beslis die meerderheid, en nee ek sien nie net die negatiewe nie) sukkel om huise te koop, hulle kan nie en moet maar huur, wat nog te praat van n nuwe karavaan koop. 

Die hele industry is besig om duur te raak, selfs tweede handse karavane se pryse skiet deur die dak. 

Dit is vinnig besig om totaal onbekostig duur te raak vir jong mense wat die karavaan kamp leefstyl wil begin.

Staanplekke by van die Suid Kus oorde is tot R 900 per nag in seisoen tyd, net vir jou stukkie grond van +- 65 sqm!

Hierdie hele storie laat my nou dink aan S A A  se huidige kondisie en Mboweni wat voorstel dat die maatskappy toegemaak moet word