Vriendelike debat voering.

Ek het “new world order Australia Covid” in Google getik en hier is een van die berigte wat opgekom het. Klink vir my na ‘n toevallige swak keuse van woorde, maar ek is nie een wat oor die algemeen samesweringsteorieë vir soetkoek opeet nie. Dit het egter duidelik groot reaksie uitgelok onder diegene wat hou van samesweringsteorieë, en veral die een oor die nuwe wêreld orde. 

Ek sien Piet Mouton van PSG het ‘n ope brief aan Suid-Afrikaners geskryf (sien onder). Wat dink julle daarvan? Maak hy sin of is hy ook ‘n agent van die magte wat ‘n nuwe wêreld orde najaag?

This is an open letter to all South Africans.

We need to lift all lockdown restrictions as soon as possible to place the country on a path to higher employment and economic recovery, which will only be possible through widespread vaccination. Those stubbornly choosing not to vaccinate, not only pose a health risk, but also an economic risk. You are free to choose – but you are not free from the consequences of your choices.

While we see many debates unfold around vaccination in the media, including social media, we have not seen many that openly acknowledge that the vaccination conversation is, in fact, also an economic one. As a listed company that has witnessed and experienced the full effect of the past 18 months on our frail economy, we feel it necessary to also bring this side of the debate to light.

Yes, it is now 18 months since the first lockdown, and we are still in uncharted and, perhaps, even more stormy waters. For one, the unemployment rate has increased from 30.1% to 34.4%. The 4.3% increase means approximately one million more people are now without jobs. Surely, this must frighten all South Africans. 
 

While the political and social complexities that contribute to our high unemployment rate are well-known, we also have to acknowledge that fully reopening the economy is an integral step in stopping the ongoing erosion of our economy and to turn the tide on unemployment – which will help alleviate the suffering of so many of our people and likely assist in preventing social unrest such as the severe looting and burning we recently witnessed in KZN and Gauteng.

However, we have the means at our disposal, something that will strengthen the government’s hand in reducing restrictions, and that can prevent further economic deterioration. That solution is vaccination.

We need to get the people of South Africa vaccinated as a matter of urgency. While it took some time, our government has made an enormous effort to step up the vaccination programme. Vaccines are now freely available to the entire adult population of South Africa.

Our main concern now lies with those who actively choose not to vaccinate. Yes, it is an act of free choice, but it is an economically and socially inconsiderate/selfish one with far-reaching consequences. We simply do not have the luxury of engaging in poorly substantiated arguments on vaccine conspiracy.

Some of these theories are very far-fetched and whoever hold these opinions are denying the evidence of the reality that surrounds them.

We are heading with warp speed towards a place where those who are throwing their right of choice on the table, will see those same rights severely impacted or even taken away by social unrest, weakening economies, death and destruction.

It is quite apparent that those countries that have vaccinated a large enough proportion of their populations have reopened their economies. The UK is one example where the vaccination percentage is high and the government has done away with most restrictions.

Even though the number of infections has increased, the number of hospitalised patients and the death rate have materially decreased.

Discovery’s research suggests that people who have been vaccinated are three times less likely to infect others, four times less likely to end up in high care/ICU and 10 times less likely to die compared to unvaccinated individuals.

It is also clear from a plethora of scientific, peer-reviewed and substantiated evidence that vaccines against Covid-19 are indeed safe, or at least as safe as other registered medications on the market.

Vaccines have been proven to be effective and are our only viable countermeasure to avoid ongoing lockdowns, economic destruction, hardship, conflict and social isolation.

So, why do we dare say that you are inconsiderate or selfish if you do not vaccinate? If a sufficient percentage of our population is not vaccinated, we will simply never return to normality again. The Western Cape has vaccinated just over 30% of its adult population to date.

As of 6 September 2021, Groote Schuur Hospital in Cape Town had admitted 156 Covid-19 patients, of whom only three patients had been vaccinated. All 66 patients in high care/ICU and 32 patients on ventilators were unvaccinated.

According to reports from the US, those states with poor vaccine uptake currently bear the brunt of severely ill and hospitalised patients infected with the delta variant. It is frightening to see how even a developed country’s healthcare system can be overwhelmed.

Our situation is far more tenuous – in South Africa, our public healthcare system was already barely coping prior to the pandemic. The last 18 months have forced the system and healthcare practitioners to their knees.

Repeated, severe lockdowns have become the only way to offer some reprieve… but at a massive cost to the greater economy and with far-reaching consequences on the lives and livelihoods of our people.

Ultimately, vaccination is not only a social issue, but also an economic one. We are standing at the edge of an economic precipice. There are notable differences in the IMF’s global economic forecasts since the start of the pandemic.

Though estimates in October 2020 predicted a global economic rebound in 2021, by April 2021 it was clear that economic recovery would not be uniform across country groups, most likely driven by concerns around inequitable access to vaccines.

While upper-middle-income countries are projected to make stronger than expected recoveries, there was a significant downward revision of economic growth for lower-middle-income and low-income countries, such as South Africa.

We are quick to cite: “together we are stronger”. But those words need to be actioned right now – more so than ever – also in terms of vaccination. Getting the vaccine should be considered an investment, not only in society’s health, but also in desperately needed economic recovery efforts.

Lower healthcare costs, increased overall economic activity, increased access to the workplace, a functioning education system and the end of the social restrictions faced by South Africans will all contribute to revive a very fragile economy.

We have no doubt that the following will be viewed as extremely controversial by some, but we believe that we have reached a point where our government should start enforcing principles like those implemented in many other countries around the world.

If you are not vaccinated, your access to restaurants, public parks, shopping centres, airports, businesses, educational institutions, etc. should be limited.

If you prefer lockdown and its consequences above vaccination, then the burden of lockdown should be yours, and yours alone. The President has alluded to some form of restriction for the unvaccinated, and we support this.

Obviously, there are individuals with specific medical conditions that may have legitimate concerns about vaccination, but these individuals are so few relative to the size of our entire population that making an exception for them to not be vaccinated should not pose a risk to society at large.

Therefore, for those who either cannot or refuse to see the ripple effect of their choice not to vaccinate, may we suggest that they then also accept the following:

• They lose their right to complain about the state of the economy.
• If their business is struggling, they must accept that they have contributed to its potential demise.
• If there is more social unrest fuelled by poverty and unemployment exacerbated by further lockdowns, they should know that they have failed to play their part in preventing it.
• They should not complain about a lack of service delivery. If the deeds offices, municipal offices, driver’s license centres, etc. are closed because somebody contracted Covid-19, they should accept this as the consequence of their choices.
• They should not complain but should accept lockdowns, curfews and other regulations deemed necessary to curb infections.
• If schools are closed, they should accept that they have failed their children and the children of the country and are preventing them from being educated.
• If they fall ill with Covid-19, they should accept that seeking help from an overburdened healthcare system could have been avoided and that they are helping push our country back into lockdown.
• They should also accept that by overburdening the healthcare system, they potentially prevent others from accessing hospital ICUs, thereby depriving them of much needed medical care. The potential loss of lives will be at the hands of those who do not vaccinate.

Choice comes with responsibility and consequences. So, we urge you to please reconsider your choices carefully and get vaccinated – to protect yourself, to protect those you love, to protect our very fragile society, and to help rebuild our economy.

Wie et dit op Maroela Media gesien ? (oop julle ka om oop maak)

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Piet Mouton, Uitvoerende Hoof van PSG se brief :-

Puik brief na my beskeie mening Chris.  Dit kom daarop neer dat jy 'n keuse het om nie ingeënt te word  nie, maar jy het ongelukkig nie 'n keuse oor die gevolge van sodanige besluit nie.

Hierdie brief is ook gister op RSG bespreek waarvan die gesprek kortliks verder op die volgende neerkom :-

• Inenting is 'n poging om kudde immuniteit in SA te probeer bekom
• Kudde immuniteit word benodig om Covid-verspreiding te probeer hokslaan
• Sou Covid-verspreiding gehok kon word, sal inperkings opgehef kan word
• Sou inperkings opgehef word, dan eers sal die ekonomie weer ten volle geopen kan word en sal ekonomiese groei weer kan plaasvind
• Indien inenting NIE gepropageer word NIE, is die vraag watter alternatief stel hierdie groepering voor moet gedoen word om Covid-19 uit te roei ?

Willem as ek tussen die lyne lees dan is die artikel gevolgtrekking dat daar veel meer as net 2 dosisse gaan wees in die toekoms.    

Dankie Willem, ek het die Maroela-berig gelees.

Deur net na die berigopskrif te kyk, kan dit misleidende wees.  Ek dink dit is al vir geruime tyd bekend dat die virus aanhoudend gaan muteer en om dit te hanteer sal "booster" inspuitings nodig wees om die nuwe variante onder beheer te bring.  Vir hoe lank, weet niemand nie.  En dit is presies wat die WGO in die berig sê.

Vir hoe lank, weet niemand nie. 

 Ek dink die anwoord is voor die hand liggend?   

Stem dat dit n goeie artikel is.  Ongelukkig ken ek my volk met al sy nasies teen hierdie tyd, en voel effe pessimisties dat verantwoordelike besluite geneem sal word. As ons geletterde broeders  simpel teoriee kan kwytraak, kan jy indink wat word daar gesels in die sinkplaat huisie !!

Dat dit lankal duidelik gemaak is dat die enstof nie n "kuur" is nie, besef meeste hopelik. Dat dit jou n kans gee, is vir my genoeg rede om dit te kry, en as dit dan elke paar maande is, "so be it". Ek hoop werklik dat die Covid paspoort gedagte geimplimenteer word. Die wat permanent in isolasie leef, doen so in vrede, en los ons ander om so na moontlik normaal  voort te gaan, al is dit nou deur n ent of drie, of vier, of vyf te kry.

Môre vriende

Ek vind dit vreemd dat lande ooral oor alles in hulle vermoë doen om mense te dwing om hulle te laat ent. Natuurlik bly ons regering nie agter nie.

Ek haat dit as my vryheid van keuse subtiel[blatant] met allerhande kunsmatige beheerregulasies gemanipuleer word.

Wat dryf die inent program, ek vermoed 'n suiwer finansiele motief.

Wat dryf die inent program, ek vermoed 'n suiwer finansiele motief.

Indien mens glo dat die motivering vir grootskaalse inenting winsbejag is ontstaan ‘n paar vrae. Hoe trek die regerings wat wil hê mense moet ingeënt word finansiële voordeel daaruit? Kry hulle kickbacks van die maatskappye wat die entstowwe maak? Ons regering het bv ‘n vaste hanteringsfooi vasgestel vir privaat apteke wat mense inent, en dis minder as R80 sover ek weet.  
 

Dat grootskaalse inenting tot finansiële (ekonomiese) voordeel van die groter geheel is blyk wel waar te wees. Hoe meer inperkings afgeskaf kan word, hoe meer kan mense en besighede ekonomies aktief wees. Dis tog beter vir almal (regerings ingesluit). Hopelik (waarskynlik) neem die druk op gesondheidsorg ook af. Ek glo nie daar is ‘n werkbare alternatief vir grootskaalse inenting teen Covid nie. 

Ek het die gekry, gaan luister na die ou.

Skakel

Wessel, 

Ek haat dit as my vryheid van keuse subtiel[blatant] met allerhande kunsmatige beheerregulasies gemanipuleer word.

Dit is mos maar hoe die lewe is in enige samelewing, jy word onderwerp aan verpligte reëls en regulasies wat jy moet nakom, of jy nou daarvan hou of nie.  Verkeersreëls is daar om mede-padgebruikers te beskerm, babas se verpligte inentings is daar om die verspreiding van siektes in die samelewing te beperk, belastings is daar om 'n staat te finansier om 'n land bewoonbaar te maak (diefstal, korrupsie en onkunde ondermyn ongelukkig hierdie doel), jy MOET 'n masker in die opnbaar dra en so kan 'n mens aangaan.  Dit is mos ongelukkig so dat in 'n samelewing het 'n mens nie vrye keuse oor alles nie.

Omdat verpligte inenting en/of beheermaatreëls wêreldwyd oorweeg en bespreek word, glo ek finansiële voordeel vir regerings is geensins ter sprake nie. Wat Suid-Afrika betref, glo ek die dryfveer vir inenting is geleë in die vrees vir die 4de vlaag van die pandemie wat die ekonomiese herstel in die land nog verder kan uitstel en dalk vererger.

Johann, ek is jammer oor die newe-effekte wat jy van jou inenting ervaar. 

Maandagaand was daar 'n program deur Kabous Meiring op KykNet se Prontuit-program oor die Covid-sale in hospitale.  Ek weet almal kyk nie DStv nie en dit is jammer dat net 'n beperkte Suid-Afrikaners dit kon sien.  Daar is gepraat en gewys met verpleegpersoneel in Mediclinic- en Netcare-hospitale in Pretoria, Boksburg, Milnerton (en nog 'n klompie).  Dis erg om die pasiënte te sien wat met behulp van ventelators en ander toerusting aan die lewe te probeer bly. Uit onderhoude met verplegingpersoneel in al hierdie hospitale is dit skrikwekkend waardeur hierdie pasiënte en hulle gelieftes moet gaan.  Die gesondheidpersoneel is nie net fisies uitgeput nie, maar ook geestelik  -  dit is uitmergelend om daagliks te sien hoe lyke verwyder word en hoe die personeel dan die nuus aan geliefdes moet oordra.  Die verplegingpersoneel met wie onderhoude gevoer is by al hierdie hospitale smeek kykers om hulle asseblief in te ent om die volgende vlaag van hospitalisasie wat voorspel word teen die einde van die jaar hok te slaan want nie een van die pasiënte gekoppel aan ventelators is ingeënt nie.

Johann, die seer spiere en ongemak wat jy moet verduur mag dalk die moeite werd wees eerder as om in 'n hospitaal te beland soos wat ek hiervoor probeer boekstaaf het.

Ns. Ek beskou myself met my kankerlyf en hartaanval-geskiedenis as baie gelukkig om absoluut geen newe-effekte van my twee inentings te gehad het nie.

Johann, normaalweg word die inenting in jou linkerarm gegee? In elk geval twyfel ek of jou seer regter arm en been regtig deur die inentings veroorsaak word....hulle noem dit eintlik oumens kwale  My lyf is ook partymaal aan die krokkerige kant maar glo nie dis inentings nie!

Wessels, ek weet nie wanneer laas jy gekyk het na die groter prentjie? Mag dalk nuus wees maar jou en almal van ons se sg. "vryheid" is nie heeltemal so "vry"nie, was nog nooit nie. Byna alle aspekte van ons lewens word aan bande gelê, hetsy dit die beperking van die spoed wat jy mag ry, belastings, maskers, bou regulasies, gedrag by die werk, ens. ens. ens.? Terloops toe jy jou kinders by 'n skool ingeskryf het moes jy ook 'n inentings sertifikaat toon alvorens hulle toegelaat was? Klink vir my nie heeltemal so "vry"nie? Wonder nou hoeveel van die "anti-vax" brigade ook weier om hulle kinders in te ent teen goed soos polio, masels? Dink mense gaan baie selektief met die waarheid om? Wat ander verpligte inentings aanbetref is dit tog ook nie so uniek nie....as jy na sekere lande reis moet jy bewys kan toon dat jy teen goed soos geelkoors inge-ent is? Party mense mag my verkwalik, maar wat my aanbetref, as jy weier om jou te laat inent is jy deel van die probleem en nie die oplossing nie, punt. Die beweging na verpligte Covid-19 inentings is glad nie vreemd nie, een of ander tyd moet dit kom....tensy ons wil voortgaan soos nou?

Terloops die huidige pandemie het nou meer mense doodgemaak as die Spaanse Griep van ca. 2018/19....

... ek kan nie glo dat jy enigsins ons betroubare regering se motiewe kan bevraagteken nie?

Jy behoort mos nou al teen die tyd te besef dat hulle slegs die belange van ons as burgers van hierdie land in hulle harte dra.  Jy hoef net jou oë oop te maak en kyk wat rondom ons aangaan om dit te besef.   Skaam jou!

Skerp Wildehont -   sy sal heel moontlik ook nie kan kinders hé nie so 'n man sal baie spaar op kondome en dan moontlik ook geld vir doeke en  baba melk?